The Matthews' have 5 kids.
They admit a fight they had back in 2009 was a bad one.
"It doesn't mean the kids are in danger it doesn't mean the kids are abused because your having an argument with your spouse that gets kind of loud," Devin Matthew said.
The fight brought the cops out and in turn Child Protective Services.
The domestic violence charge against Aaron Matthew was knocked down to a disorderly conduct charge.
Still that fight had the couple's 5 kids in state custody for 14 months.
"Probably the most horrible time in my life and his too," Devin Matthew said. "You can only see your kids on certain days at certain times you can't kiss them goodnight you can't do anything as a family."
If she wanted them back Devin Matthew says CPS told her she had to get a divorce.
We beat them at their own game," Devin Matthew said. "I started recording every conversation with them, I started documenting everything."
The Matthews' say they learned alot from their battle with CPS.
They say they hope advice they give can help others who find themselves at odds with the state agency.
"Do not talk to them force their hand if you've done nothing wrong," Devin Matthew said. "Force them to get a warrant to talk to you, your kids. Lawyer up as soon as you can."